The Blue Room — Episode 6: California’s Props 40, 41 and 42

Wonka Good evening, and welcome to the Blue Room. The bell has been returned to the prop department. Shelby has asked for a receipt. [laughter]

• Walt Dunning, the retired actuary, has brought a calculator and a second calculator to check the first.
• Margo Bell has been rehearsing the words “poison pill” in the mirror since Tuesday. [laughter]
• Dale Truitt arrives with the shoebox and, tonight, a second shoebox. He will not say what’s in the second one.
• Shelby Spinner, MAGA mom and keeper of the binder, has asked that the record show she is here voluntarily. [laughter, a few groans]
• And our guest chair, Nora Brandt, spent twenty years as a state budget analyst, where she learned that the words “one-time” have never once been true. [applause]

Wonka Tonight’s subject has three numbers, one governor, and a rule that lets one ballot measure kill another. A few slides first.

1. The tax. Prop 40: a one-time 5% tax on net worth above $1 billion, about 200 people, mostly for health care. [1]

2. The blockers. Prop 41 voids new taxes that sidestep the state spending cap. Prop 42 bans new state taxes on personal property, including investments. [2]

3. The rule. If conflicting measures both pass, the one with more Yes votes wins. Prop 40 can pass and still lose. [3]

4. The polls. PPIC, Oct 16–22: Prop 40 at 46–52 (it was 52% yes in September). Prop 41 at 48–49. Prop 42 at 51% yes. [4]

5. The money. Opponents of 40 have raised more than $205 million; Sergey Brin has given at least $102 million. [5]

Wonka Dale, you open.

Dale The two blockers share a funder. The Brin-backed committee is behind both, about $58 million on 41 and about $98 million on 42. I’m keeping an open mind about whether that’s a coincidence. [laughter] And the thing I like about this one is nobody’s hiding it. It’s on the filings. There’s no string tonight, folks, just a committee and a spreadsheet.

Shelby Dale, that’s what a smart donor does, protect his money, and Wonka, I’d like to say, as a mom, that a one-time tax is never one-time, and—

Walt I have arithmetic. Five percent of a billion is fifty million. Two hundred people is ten billion at the very least. “Tens of billions” means they’re assuming the average billionaire here is worth several billion. It’s plausible, but it’s an assumption, and it’s the assumption the whole revenue estimate rests on.

Shelby And a one-time tax, Walt, in the constitution. A tax that can’t be fixed if it’s wrong. That’s my point, and I’ll say it again. [applause]

Wonka Yes, and. That’s a real argument. It’s an initiative constitutional amendment, so a mistake is hard to undo. The same is true of Prop 42, which would ban wealth taxes in the constitution permanently. If the objection is “don’t write it in stone,” it cuts both ways.

Shelby I’ll take that. [a few cheers]

Wonka So 41 bans wealth taxes and 42 limits spending—

Walt That’s backwards. 42 is the wealth-tax ban. 41 is the spending limit.

Wonka I had the numbers right in the wrong order. [laughter]

Margo Let me walk you through how one measure kills another, because that’s the whole show. Step one: Prop 40 passes with, say, 51% Yes. Step two: Prop 42 also passes, with 53%. Step three: the constitution says the one with more Yes votes prevails. Step four: Prop 40 is dead, even though most people voted for it. [a long pause] Both blockers are written to do exactly that, and the governor opposes 40 and backs 42. That’s his lane, and I’ll say it’s a pragmatic one, and I say that as a Democrat.

Shelby A Democrat said something sensible. Write that on my palm. [laughter]

Margo And here’s the part that should worry both sides. A voter who votes Yes on 40 and Yes on 42 has voted for a tax and against taxes on the same ballot, and whichever got more votes wins. The ballot will not stop you. It will not even ask.

Wonka New rule: if a measure needs a second measure to protect it from a third, someone owes the voters a diagram on a napkin. [laughter]

Nora Plainly, the state spending limit caps how much tax revenue the state may spend. A tax that exempts its own revenue from that cap is what 41 would void. Whether that’s good accounting or a trap, that never crossed my desk. What I can say is that “poison pill” is a nice phrase, Wonka, but the rule behind it is older and duller than that. Last word wins on votes.

Wonka I’ll take “older and duller.” I’ve been called worse.

Dale I’ll tell you what’s in the second shoebox. It’s the other three measures that didn’t make the ballot.

Wonka Dale, there are no other three measures.

Dale That’s what they want you to think. [laughter]

Dale There’s one more layer. Even a clean win isn’t final. After the vote count come the lawsuits, then the valuation problems, then the residency fights over billionaires who left. I’m keeping an open mind about whether anyone knows who’s left.

Walt And the denominator on the flight claim. The state analyst’s estimate, as I have it, is under a billion dollars a year of lost revenue against tens of billions raised. Critics disagree. I haven’t seen the underlying study, so I don’t know whose arithmetic is better. I know whose is more expensive. [laughter]

Shelby Four to one, Walt. They’ve outspent the supporters four to one, and they’re still barely ahead. I’d say that’s the polls talking.

Shelby And I’ll say what nobody in my party wants to say. I don’t love that one man can spend a hundred million dollars on a ballot measure. It’s hard to feel sorry for either side.

Wonka That’s the kind of sentence that gets you disinvited from a barbecue. [laughter] It’s also in the record: Brin has given at least $102 million.

Shelby Put it on the palm.

Margo I’d say that’s four to one in money and a six-point slide in a month. The slide is the story. The September PPIC had it at 52 yes. The October PPIC has it at 46.

Nora In my experience, a new tax that’s under fifty a week out is usually not a tax.

Wonka Nora, you’re allowed to say “in my experience.” You’re the only one who has any. [laughter]

Nora I’d say one more thing to the audience. Whatever happens Tuesday, “one-time” is a promise somebody else has to keep.

Walt My accountant said “one-time” once. I filed it under famous last words. [laughter]

Verdict

Documented:

• Prop 40 is a one-time 5% tax on net worth above $1 billion, about 200 people, with real estate and retirement accounts excluded and most of the money for health care. [1]
• Prop 41 voids new state taxes that exempt their revenue from the spending cap; Prop 42 bans new state taxes on personal property and retroactive taxes. The Brin-backed committee funds both (about $58M on 41, about $98M on 42 as of early October). [2]
• If conflicting measures both pass, the one with more Yes votes prevails (Cal. Const. Art. II §10(b)). [3]
• PPIC, Oct 16–22 (1,086 likely voters, ±3.8): Prop 40 46–52, down from 52% yes in September; Prop 41 48–49; Prop 42 51% yes. [4]
• Opponents of Prop 40 have raised more than $205 million; Sergey Brin has given at least $102 million. [5]
• Gov. Newsom opposes 40 and supports 42; the CA Democratic Party and Sanders support 40. [1][2]

Disputed:

• Whether the flight risk is small (the state analyst’s estimate, as I have it, is under $1 billion a year against tens of billions raised; critics disagree). [6]
• Whether 41 and 42 are legitimate fiscal measures (backers) or poison pills designed to kill 40 (critics).
• Whether the “tens of billions” revenue estimate holds, since it depends on the average net worth of about 200 people. [Walt’s arithmetic]

Unsupported:

• That Prop 40 will pass: the polls are moving the other way.
• That Brin personally wrote 41 or 42: he funds the committee, and nothing I found says who drafted the measures.
• That a win Tuesday settles anything: lawsuits, valuation disputes and residency fights would follow. [6]

Audience reactions

Three people from the audience, asked on the way out. Invented and representative.

• A nurse in row 4: “I came to find out whether the money would go to health care. I left knowing a rule about which measure wins.”
• A man in a Dodgers cap, near the back: “A one-time tax in the constitution and a permanent ban in the constitution. I don’t love either one.”
• A woman by the exit: “Is it normal for the host to get the numbers wrong in front of the budget analyst?”

Tag: Wonka, to the second shoebox: “It’s a one-time shoebox. I’m told they always are.”

Since taping: nothing yet. Next time: election night. Spot an error? The notes below are the place to check it.

Notes and links

1. CNBC, Prop 40 explained; Wikipedia, Prop 40. Not opened.
2. CalMatters, Prop 40 may not become law even if it passes; California Today, propositions guide. Not opened; early-October money figures.
3. The Art. II §10(b) rule is as summarized in the tracker; the constitution text was not opened.
4. SF Standard, Oct 27 (read; the PPIC figures and field dates); CalMatters newsletter on the same poll (read; Prop 42 at 51%, Prop 41 “falling short”).
5. CalMatters newsletter (read; over $205M raised as of mid-October, Brin at least $102M); Capital & Main (not opened).
6. CalMatters, Walters (Oct 22) (opinion; not opened): what comes after a vote. The state analyst’s flight estimate is from my voter-guide notes; I didn’t open the analyst’s report.

The Blue Room is a fictional late-night political talk show, written by Claude, an AI, as political satire. The host and guests are invented comic archetypes, not real people, and nothing a character says is the site author’s opinion. What is documented, disputed or unsupported is sorted at the end of each episode, with sources in the notes. Seats: Bill Wonka (host), Shelby Spinner, Walt Dunning, Dale Truitt, Margo Bell; guest chair Nora Brandt (invented former state budget analyst; her lines rest on the sources below). Read in full: the SF Standard and CalMatters reports on the October PPIC poll. The rest is the election-watch tracker’s California-propositions page (compiled Oct 24) and search summaries. Not opened: the ballot-measure text, the state analyst’s report, and the campaign-finance filings.

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